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     Ginny White Username: Ginnyw Registered: 11-2006 |
I can't believe what i've recently read on this forum that a T shirt international competetor-in something can have a dig at all us pot hunters! and not sign their name?. I Ginny White won my 1ST 1ST indoor at Forest Edge today, my dressage was not good as usual but it goes to show with a fast pony all can be acheived. I have years of experience in the equestrian world and can see my self as a novice pot hunter for ever as i do it for FUN. I would love to rise to the ranks of open pony so i don't have to do standing presentation!. And i'm sure Deidre would't mind me saying she was a Novice for 30years! and i haven't got your rossette.As we get old and grey what else can we do?(Fi not you!) i look at the results and compare how i did overall and remember, someone has to win and someone has to come last-that would be me!.The class may be small or the same but the guest should go elswhere and see how they get on. Thank you loads to all the IDHDT team for another enjoyable season. May we all get snowed in so we don't have to go to work or school.Ginny | ||
| Martyn Willis Username: Martynw Registered: 10-2006 |
As always there is however an exception to this in BHDTA National Competition. The Advanced classes are on a Driver/Horse combination. The driver can revert to the Open Class only if they change their horse for one that has NOT won two open classes, placed in bottom 2 of a class of 5 or more, and finally not competed in the advanced class for 2 years. Nothings ever simple. | ||
| Mike Watts Username: Mikew Registered: 10-2006 |
This is to ask people please to: - post different subjects in different threads. - give a real name with each post. Please register if you are using the forum more than occasionally (To start a new thread [subject]: click General Chat [or Announcements for For Sale], scroll down to the very bottom, click Start New Thread. Thanks, Mike | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
to go back to Chris's original question. As I understand the main reason driving trials classes are set according to the drivers level of competition experience is simply because driving is the only dicipline where more than 1 horse is competed. ie tandem, pair and team. These multiple turnouts will often contain animals at different levels of experience, making it necessary to use the driver's ability. I hope this helps. Anne C | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
I agree, indoor driving is such a friendly sport and no-one ever looks down there nose at you, where as if you were to do ridden showing or dressage everyone always thinks there horse is better then yours!! At the moment i drive a pony pair not owned by me and have a 3 yr old i'm breaking to harness, i am an open driver and will be bringing out a novice baby horse in the next couple of years, it will then just be training and experience for him where as the pair is all gallop and gallop!! The whole aim of the game is to enjoy yourself and try your hardest to qualifi, its always good to be placed lower down the line then when eventually get up to 1st its a great achievement!! if your always at the top you cant aim any higher right?? | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
Usually I don't get drawn by anything like this but I would like to point out, that myself and my daughter are new to this sport and we have found even the most successful people to be nothing but helpful and friendly and incredibly supportive making it a joy to just go along and try. Fiona seems to give up lots of her free time to organise things for us in our area and make sure us new people have a clue as to what to do. She just so happens to be extremely good at driving and modest about it - good for her may she win lots more!! As far as I am concerned attitude is everything. If however you haven't meant to be anything other than friendly it would be a good idea to read your postings first Chris! Happy New Year, Nicolette | ||
| James Binns Username: Jamesb Registered: 12-2008 |
It would have been polite for the GUEST to have at least put there name to there post, so we can all look out for this talanted person. | ||
| Fiona Powell Username: Fionap Registered: 12-2003 |
OMG, I didn't realise I was such a beastly pot-hunting XXXX. I'm getting a kinda double message from your postings... (tho' I don't even have a display cabinet!) I do it for the same reasons you cite in para 2. I am suitably shamed and humbled by your insight. | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
Silly me, I had assumed the classes were based upon the horses achievement as in other equestrian events not the pilots. As you say I should have read the book. The only reason I drive is for fun and as an alternative to my wife riding him. Fame and recognition has never come into it. I achieved that in another sport at local, national and international level. Been there done it and actually do have the T-shirts. The competitions provide an opotunity to improve both myself and the horses experience, and he loves it. It's also an oppotunity to meet and learn from the other competetors, judges and organisers who have helped me so much and contributed to my enjoyment of the sport. Prizes, realy not bothered, no more room in the display cabinet. But maybe you're right, people like me should stick to the club stuff and leave the pot hunting to them as want it. It'll make staying at the top easier for you and you won't have to stand around for so long in the cold waiting for your prize. See you around, but we'll only be doing it for fun. If We do rise up the line I'll give you the rossette as it'll mean so much more to you. | ||
| Fiona Powell Username: Fionap Registered: 12-2003 |
Chris, fyi indoor driving's underlying rules are British Horse Driving Trials Association's - see www.horsedrivingtrials.co.uk and find the 2009 rule book, which you can read online. The rules specifically for indoor driving are on this (IHDT) site. If anything's still unclear, please ask! It's really "novice driver single horse" class... Check indoor rule 2.4.7 - note that a club open driver is not necessarily an open indoor driver. If someone is better than you on the day, they will beat you. There is always someone who is better than you in some way. I won this weekend only because my closest competitor had a bit of bad luck: next time it might be me. If I thought I could just turn up and win, I'd probably give up! How dull! And our juniors are on a different planet altogether... Never mind, a few more years and I'll be a veteran - oh, and against Di Hayes, lucky me. It's the most fun when you compete against people of a similar standard to oneself, I agree, so we run a "club" class for newcomers and any driver with an inexperienced horse or new turnout who just wants an outing. This class is not a qualifier for the Finals yet it means that people can get competition experience with little pressure yet with all the fun. Some people stay in club class for more than a season and some use it as a stepping stone to go into novice class. Why not see if your organiser might do this? (lobby friends!) This has worked well so far. Yes, I understand you want to "get on"! But look at the open class results... if you win (and I'm sure you will eventually) and get promoted to open, there's no going back to novice class. Stay second: let your fellow competitor win and get promoted and next year you will be in pole postition to sweep the floor in the novice class, won't you? Keep enjoying the competitions, that's the main thing. | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
Then why call it Novice HORSE. I've seen very experienced drivers with novice horses get into just as many fix's as the novice ones as were not fighting over massive cash prizes why not level the field with the horse. At present we are seeing a "novice driver" trounce the Novice horse field with an experienced horse. How does that help the progression of the sport? | ||
| Mike Watts Username: Mikew Registered: 10-2006 |
The criterion is the driver's experience, not the horse. Evidently performance depends on both driver and horse, and outdoors there is an attempt to rate the driver/horse combination [for advanced class especially] but this is complicated and I think doesn't really seem to help a great deal. For example, you then get an international driver competing in a lower class and dominating that. [I'm not blaiming anyone, but that's what the system produces - good for some, not others]. So indoors and most outdoor classes keep it simple, just rate the driver. You ask where is the incentive for an experienced driver to bring on a young horse? It's in bringing on the young horse - we see plenty of expert drivers doing just that. They know they will be able to get somewhere and accept it will take some time to get the young horse up to winning, and while they are bringing it on they concentrate on the training/experience aspect, not going all out to win. I agree it's not perfect, but I think it's better than letting the experienced driver trounce the novices, which really stops progression in the sport. | ||
| Guest Username: New Registered: 12-2006 |
Could somebody please put me right on my understanding of the different class requirements. I have been driving just over a year now with my horse who has had exactly the same experience as me and we compete in the Novice section of the local events. I note that this year there is a combination of a newish driver and an experienced horse that's "done everything" competing in the same class. To give our horse a bit more experience we recently entered him with a more experienced driver only to find him moved from his normal Novice classification to the Open horse class. whilst I was well pleased with our result against the more experienced competetors I'm confused about the governing rules. My question is, what is the criterior for a Novis horse class? Is it the driver's experience or the horses? If the class is open to Novis drivers with experienced horses but not the other way around where is the incentive for experienced drivers to bring on young or novice horses if they always get shoved into the higher classes where there is no chance of a good result having paid the same entry fee? Chris. |